Free Stalliongrad wrote:A cliché that also involves experienced players: having a nation rich in oil and natural gas reserves that are the envy of Russia. Never that there was one rich in sugar beets.

Time to gloat.
Not sure if you meant it figuratively, but sugar beets are an important part of my canon, and the Greater Tohorin spinoff. Turns out that monopolizing the scramble for the Caribbean has adverse effects: namely, your rivals investing in other ways to obtain sugar earlier on...thus devaluing your plantation/indentured-servant based economy.

Caribbean Confederation wrote:

Free Stalliongrad wrote:A cliché that also involves experienced players: having a nation rich in oil and natural gas reserves that are the envy of Russia. Never that there was one rich in sugar beets.

I am a nation that is rich in sugar beets if it helps.

Woo. Caribbean Expansion Gang.

Las Palmeras wrote:

Free Stalliongrad wrote:A cliché that also involves experienced players: having a nation rich in oil and natural gas reserves that are the envy of Russia. Never that there was one rich in sugar beets.

Time to gloat.
Not sure if you meant it figuratively, but sugar beets are an important part of my canon, and the Greater Tohorin spinoff. Turns out that monopolizing the scramble for the Caribbean has adverse effects: namely, your rivals investing in other ways to obtain sugar earlier on...thus devaluing your plantation/indentured-servant based economy.

I don't know how geography school books are structured in other IRL countries, but they usually put sugar beet in the production of almost all countries (regardless of their continental area). So much so that here in Italy it has become a joke: are you questioned about geography about a particular country and you don't know what to say? Say that country produces sugar beets!

Free Stalliongrad wrote:I don't know how geography school books are structured in other IRL countries, but they usually put sugar beet in the production of almost all countries (regardless of their continental area). So much so that here in Italy it has become a joke: are you questioned about geography about a particular country and you don't know what to say? Say that country produces sugar beets!

Sugar-beets. Sugar beets?! The political maps in textbooks here put a lot of emphasis in metal ores.

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I wanna point out another cliche, or a not-cliche: The war situation has developed not necessarily to our advantage.

Winning old-school colonial wars isn't a necessarily a net benefit: Wars are expensive, wars are unpopular if enough taxes are raised and if enough people's significant others come home in caskets or as ceremonial urns...no matter how militarist you want the average joe to be. Rebuilding damaged infrastructure or building it to help settle land is a drain of resources before you can extract them or form a market, if you can. Directly administrating new acquisitions is expensive. Garrisoning troops isn't free. If you decide to cut corners and do things indirectly, that opens up another can of worms.

Las Palmeras wrote:
I wanna point out another cliche, or a not-cliche: The war situation has developed not necessarily to our advantage.

And the general trends of the world have also turned against us.

Oh boy, now I want to do that Valentian axis thing. The one everyone is doing.

But I am doing my own thing, so... I ain't telling until it's done.

Nouvelle-Floride wrote:im gonna make NF geopolitics a massive shitshow and nobody can stop me, enjoy the normalization of violence and finland LARPing as a pan-turanic khanate

also we did it boys, future compasses are now a F7 staple

I legit wanna do one myself, but I am on one hand too lazy and on the other hand don't know what to put in there rip

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Caribbean Confederation wrote:

Nouvelle-Floride wrote:im gonna make NF geopolitics a massive shitshow and nobody can stop me, enjoy the normalization of violence and finland LARPing as a pan-turanic khanate

also we did it boys, future compasses are now a F7 staple

I legit wanna do one myself, but I am on one hand too lazy and on the other hand don't know what to put in there rip

beat your head against the keyboard and it should work.

Sengoku Americas wrote:

Las Palmeras wrote:
I wanna point out another cliche, or a not-cliche: The war situation has developed not necessarily to our advantage.

And the general trends of the world have also turned against us.

That feel when Blade Runner is considered as optimistic as Disney's Tomorrowland was in the 1950s.

Las Palmeras wrote:

Sengoku Americas wrote:And the general trends of the world have also turned against us.

That feel when Blade Runner is considered as optimistic as Disney's Tomorrowland was in the 1950s.

*shoves melting ice caps, increased global radicalization, constant brushfire wars, nuclear proliferation, the steady breakdown of the current one-superpower hegemonic world order, rising authoritarianism, the constant hell in central Asia, development of late-stage capitalism, my broken toe, and more under the table*
*curls into fetal ball crying*

Oh, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow, shining at the end of every day, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow, and tomorrow is just a day away...

Kiu Ghesik wrote:

Las Palmeras wrote:
That feel when Blade Runner is considered as optimistic as Disney's Tomorrowland was in the 1950s.

*shoves melting ice caps, increased global radicalization, constant brushfire wars, nuclear proliferation, the steady breakdown of the current one-superpower hegemonic world order, rising authoritarianism, the constant hell in central Asia, development of late-stage capitalism, my broken toe, and more under the table*
*curls into fetal ball crying*

Oh, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow, shining at the end of every day, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow, and tomorrow is just a day away...

Save us ayys, save us....

Kiu Ghesik wrote:

Las Palmeras wrote:
That feel when Blade Runner is considered as optimistic as Disney's Tomorrowland was in the 1950s.

*shoves melting ice caps, increased global radicalization, constant brushfire wars, nuclear proliferation, the steady breakdown of the current one-superpower hegemonic world order, rising authoritarianism, the constant hell in central Asia, development of late-stage capitalism, my broken toe, and more under the table*
*curls into fetal ball crying*

Oh, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow, shining at the end of every day, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow, and tomorrow is just a day away...

Oh don't worry, the nuclear proliferation and breakdown of the current one-superpower gives us a bigger chance of not having to deal with late-stage capitalism, the only drawback is that you will be dying of radiation poisoning in the ruins of what used to be your home.

South Reinkalistan wrote:

Kiu Ghesik wrote:*shoves melting ice caps, increased global radicalization, constant brushfire wars, nuclear proliferation, the steady breakdown of the current one-superpower hegemonic world order, rising authoritarianism, the constant hell in central Asia, development of late-stage capitalism, my broken toe, and more under the table*
*curls into fetal ball crying*

This is generally why I don't understand people who say ultra-pessimistic NS nations to be unrealistic. Why not just embrace the decay?

Best vibe is when you embrace the decay and then paint over it with a whole bunch of in-character optimism for the future for maximum dissonance.

Zeloria wrote:Oh don't worry, the nuclear proliferation and breakdown of the current one-superpower gives us a bigger chance of not having to deal with late-stage capitalism, the only drawback is that you will be dying of radiation poisoning in the ruins of what used to be your home.

>implying that dying of radiation sickness isn't late-stage capitalism anyways

South Reinkalistan wrote:

Zeloria wrote:gives us a bigger chance of not having to deal with late-stage capitalism

Oh please, this is the downside. The aesthetics of late-stage capitalism are EPIC.

The line stops for nobody.

this is a fact and cannot be disputed.
(nice theme btw)

Kiu Ghesik wrote:

Zeloria wrote:Oh don't worry, the nuclear proliferation and breakdown of the current one-superpower gives us a bigger chance of not having to deal with late-stage capitalism, the only drawback is that you will be dying of radiation poisoning in the ruins of what used to be your home.

>implying that dying of radiation sickness isn't late-stage capitalism anyways

Yeah you're right, we're going to die of radiation poisoning anyway. I've come to the conclusion that the annihilation of civilization and the near-extinction of the human race is a small price to pay to avoid late-stage capitalism.

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:

WHAT DOES LATE-STAGE CAPITALISM MEAN. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT THE SOURCE OF ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS.

I will admit that I do not think communism can work. But I'm not going to attack you if you think it can. We all have different opinions and life experiences, and that is totally ok!

system being built on line going up eventually runs out of space for line to go up.

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:

WHAT DOES LATE-STAGE CAPITALISM MEAN. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT THE SOURCE OF ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS.

I will admit that I do not think communism can work. But I'm not going to attack you if you think it can. We all have different opinions and life experiences, and that is totally ok!

What you just said was not political incorrect, you didn't use a single slur. Also I think late-stage capitalism is like when monopolies own everything, but I prefer to use the term "plutocracy" or "corporatocracy" because I'm not the biggest fan of the term "late-stage capitalism".

South Reinkalistan wrote:

Zeloria wrote:you didn't use a single slur.

sad!

Hmm...should I insert slurs into my fantasy-esque setting in Tohorin AND get away with it? There's elves, cat coyote girls, dwarves, succubi and whatever else shitty JRPGs I wanna make fun of include.

Zeloria wrote:

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:

WHAT DOES LATE-STAGE CAPITALISM MEAN. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT THE SOURCE OF ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS.

I will admit that I do not think communism can work. But I'm not going to attack you if you think it can. We all have different opinions and life experiences, and that is totally ok!

What you just said was not political incorrect, you didn't use a single slur. Also I think late-stage capitalism is like when monopolies own everything, but I prefer to use the term "plutocracy" or "corporatocracy" because I'm not the biggest fan of the term "late-stage capitalism".

I meant that my opinions are probably politically incorrect. *Le shrug.*
tbh, "late-stage capitalism" sounds like a buzzword to me...and I do not like most buzzwords...*Hides in corner*

But anyway, ya like jazz?

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South Reinkalistan wrote:That's called real life, Kiu. We're meant to be writing fiction.

I'm just saying that if Vancouver starts calling itself the Venice of the New World and talking about making NASA² I get to say I told you so.

Kiu Ghesik wrote:(nice theme btw)

Thanks! It's just a more, uh, *dramatic* version of HOI4's "shatter the empires" that I cooked up

Thought it sounded familiar, huh.